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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:05 
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Confirmation that the naked ear is one of two approved measures by which Birmingham Council's environmental health officers assess noise complaints. Is this what they mean by "the appliance of science"? http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/council-off ... 02091.html


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 21:43 
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The following is from the Planning Departments response to The Rainbow’s application to have live music ‘til 6am. (The appalling solecisms and spelling are verbatim, the emphatic bold fonts are mine)

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CONSULTEES
ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES – POLLUTION CONTROL TEAM

Detailed comments:
A listening test was carried out at the nearest noise sensitive receptors Abacus flats, Warwick St, Avoca flats, Cheapside, and rear yard of 181 High St. Music was played as loud as the applicant would have it and could not be heard at complaints properties when played just from the garden of the warehouse (the Pub and the warehouse have 3 other venues). However this department is still receiving noise complaints about the Rainbow PH/ Warehouse. It is felt because the test was carried out when the premises was empty we were unable to show the exact conditions on nights when the premise is full.

The main problem is management of the sound equipment ensuring that when the site is full that the volume and base is not raised. The License Mr Kent will be hiring a noise consultant to deal with this issue under this departments advise.

It is felt that a years temporary permission to allow outdoor music and music to 6am should be allowed to ensure that adequate management of music equipment and DJ's at the site will be implemented.

The garden of the warehouse is only one part of a much bigger music venue, it is likely it is not the cause of the noise complaints but until this is confirmed by working with a noise consultant at the site, only a 1 year temporary permission should be allowed.

Conditions required:
External music/ 6am opening within the Warehouse garden/ beach area shall only be allowed for 1 year, to assess, whether the amenity of local residents are affected.


Worrying points:
- Because the case didn’t go to the Planning Committee, the above is not posted on the BCC website. Neither was it sent to The Rainbow.
- EPU did not detect noise nuisance with their tests even though the music was at full blast (believe me!) but still made conditions as if they had detected problems. Note that they say, “…could not be heard…”. Thus, one presumes, the noise was well short of “noise nuisance” levels
- EPU are overstepping their authority. Where is the legislation that allows them to impose conditions where they are not observing an offence? “Prevention, in case…” doesn’t wash.
- Having failed to demonstrate a problem with sophisticated sound equipment, does anyone think that the next complaint will be investigated with anything other than their “expert ears”?
- Their comments that the test didn’t work because the place was empty is spurious – it’s well known that a crowd tends to dampen sound.
- Kent’s independent noise consultant didn’t detect a noise nuisance problem when he conducted tests at the complainant’s apartment.
- Will the EPU withdraw their condition?

I have my own theory as to why the EPU tests didn’t produce the results that all eight, yes, eight, of them so dearly wanted. If the level of literacy above, demonstrated by the reporting officer (JG) and authorising officer (JF), is typical, they must have been unable to understand the instructions!
I hope their ears don’t have written instructions!

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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 22:10 
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Noddy - it's very worrying that what you've quoted is supposed to be of an acceptable standard of explanation and with all the grammatical errors! It almost smacks of a Monty Pythonesque scenario. Is someone taking the p**s? I wonder? There are standards that BCC are supposed to uphold, but it really doesn't appear so in this (or your) particular situation.

Talking Monty Python - I'm sure there's an opportunity here - what with your graphic description of EHO and complainant hanging over a balcony to strain their ears?! Another U-Tube clip coming on?? :? :D :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:37 
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Get a load of this from the genius Nicky Getgood, Digbeth's Pepys.
http://digbeth.org/2009/02/black-velvet-band-the-noisy-digbeth-mash-up/
Have a mooch around the rest of her blog.
http://digbeth.org/
Can't we put her in charge of regeneration instead of the self-serving Dive Clutton.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
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Attempts to highlight the Digbeth noise issue in the St Patricks Day parade brochure have been censored http://www.thestirrer.co.uk/spotted-dog ... 03091.html


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 14:20 
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Music Is Not Pollution

Excellent documentary detailing the shocking way that Birmingham's vibrant
culture is being degraded by the complaints of a vocal minority and poor
regulation and lack of awareness

The video was made by the Project X Website (link) CoOp about the problems of
Keeping Music Live in Birmingham (Facebook Group)

Features the long suffering Noddy landlord of Digbeth’s wonderful Spotted Dog
and Kent Davies at the Rainbow, Keith Marsden at the Prince of Wales Moseley
and one of the many Digbeth residents who moved to the area in order to
appreciate the vibrant atmosphere Adam Crossley





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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 14:30 
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Excellent video. Thanks Hobbit.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 21:23 
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Yes, spot on, Barnard!
Anything going on this weekend? Hey, Mabel, you up for meeting up?


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 21:25 
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Anyone else too?

John - what are the opening times on Monday?


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 21:30 
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Yep - Sure I can manage a trip to the Spotty Puppy! When are you thinking of?


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 21:34 
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Mabel - haven't anything on apart from sunday - so what suits you best? Friday, perhaps?


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
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Friday's cool. 7:30??


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 21:50 
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Great - see you then, and hopefully others. Barnard - you up for it? Sibyil? Mysterious characters too...? Would be great to meet up with other stirrers. The Spotted Dog is a wonderfully welcoming place, even if you just walk into the bar on your own.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 21:57 
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Put something on the 'weekend' board; I'd liek to meet Kingy & brumgum; we'd definitely have a good laugh! Great craic; and Barnard's always good company.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 17:45 
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I see the Beorma tower has been given approval then:

Beorma Quarter

Intersting quote from PDO:
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Committee chairman Coun Peter Douglas Osborn said: “This is an exciting and innovative development. It is ground breaking. With this development Digbeth could exceed Broad Street as the city’s premier night spot.”


Ummmm, are not you missing something Peter? Like the last two years of ongoing strife at the hands of your colleagues who seem hell-bent on destroying Digbeth's nightlife?

And by the way Digbeth is already Birmingham's premier "night spot" (twee!) in many opinion. While it doesn't attract the quantity of baying knuckle-draggers that the oh-so brilliant Broad St does ("like flies to sh*t" springs to mind), I think you'll find it does OK despite council interference thankyouverymuch.

Braod St is fine where it is thanks. Glad the last two years hasn't been wasted on you lot....


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 18:17 
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KDV wrote:
Broad St is fine where it is thanks. Glad the last two years hasn't been wasted on you lot....
Totally Agree KDV I was just about to raise the matter

PDO must be completely thick like most of the other councillors he talks out
of his backside does he not understand that the people that live, work and
use Digbeth that the last thing they want is another Broad Street

Still he is the councillor for Weoley Castle the very people that love Broad Street
so perhaps he's only working on their behalf and creating a place for them to flock
to and destroy and force out all the nice people out of Birmingham


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 0:00 
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Errrr this thread is mighty long - don't you think Digbeth as nice and interesting as some bits of it are, is a tad, just a tad over rated...


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:00 
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Oh dear!

It's been years since I was stood up. Found myself at the Spotted Dog last night, but no Pam.Waited for ages, but a no show.
Not to worry, met up with a few other Stirrers I knew and had a great time.
I'd jokingly said on the board to 'wear a hat'; I also spotted a couple of chaps arive in hts, but didn't know if they were Stirrers or not, and didn't identify themselves. Shame. Always good to meet new board aficionados.
Wonder what happened to Pam, though.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:55 
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Sorry Mabel, did e-mail you earlier, but you clearly didn't get it before leaving. Came home from work, feeling yuk. Think I've got a bug of some kind. Still not very well. Pleased to hear you had a good time all the same. Hopefully meet up at the Spotted Dog again soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotted Dog leads way to a quiet Digbeth
PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 21:26 
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TheStirrer wrote:
Excellent video. Thanks Hobbit.


I agree, i was talking to Keith in the POW today and he informed me (hope he dosen't mind me quoting him) that he'd had complaints about music being played in the back garden that finished at 10.30pm and was just Glen Miller and nothing raucous.
He also said he can't play anything out back anymore which is a shame if you ask me :(
I'd love to know how other cities deal with such complaints and is Brum as over the top as it appears to be???.


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