The Stirrer

Missing moment here - clear baton whack on Ian Tomlinson http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... 8961173001

Horrible isn't it. Also C4 news showed that he was unable to take his normal route home due to blockades.

Any progress on the cop who committed the assault? Has he owned up?

It's in the hands of the Independent Police Complaints Commission - if there are arrests, we'll have to halt discussion. Just a prior warning.

ready to be shot down again by certain posters but the policeman involved has now come forward.

"Sky News showed the route that he walked. It wasn't on the way home - he was touring the protest. "

The most direct route from Monument station to the Lindsey Hotel where he lived (near Smithfield market) would take him right through the area that was blocked off. His route up King William street seems quite reasonable, given where he lived. He was turned away at a cordon at Bank Junction, which looks to me slap bang between where he worked and where he lived. It looks the obvious route to me, and incidentally it's the route that google maps would send you for that journey. You can argue he should have chosen another route, but to state that it wasn't on his way home seems peverse to me.

He reached Bank Junction, which *is* on his route home at 19:10. It's unsure what happened between then and 19:15. So perhaps one could assume, as you do, that he was "touring" the protest for those five minutes. However, I would say it is just as valid to assume that he was trying to pick out a way home in that time.

Yes, and the story was represented by the police as one where they were subjected to a shower of bottles as they valiantly tried to revive him. I have no idea whether this its true or not but they certainly forgot to mention they might have killed him in the first place.

After he has been all over the news. What a cracking bloke

What will happen to all his mates's stories that he didn't touch Tomlinson?

How many officers were complicit in this? It looks like more than a dozen.

De Menezes. Tomlinson. Innocents on their way to/from work. Under a 'Labour' government. Hm.

The police must have their own video of what happened. Will it show Mr Tomlinson in a hoodie, holding a machete in a threatening way? Cynical? Moi? Welcome to more of the third way.

It's a load of bollocks. What a surprise.

Probably not, but yes we'll see.. I haven't been on the "front line" for a few years now, but it doesn't matter, you can still get a kicking from "our boys" even if you're looking bothersome from behind.. if those incidents in the USA where the police can batter someone in full view and still be found not guilty, I'd wager that someone in the wrong place in the wrong moment walking slowly can aggravate a bloke in full riot gear and then choose to die, well, that's worthy of an enquiry at least.... but surely it's behind the queue for the illegality of a war, come on now

They should all be suspended.

And I find it difficult to understand why the IPCC have not interviewed the officer concerned yet.

And in Jersey Stuart Syvret was arrested and the police have tried to get his passwords to get rid of his blog.

See his blog for more details:
http://stuartsyvret.blogspot.com/

The story in the Jersey Evening Post has interesting comments from the residents
http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/04/06/syvret-arrested-in-police-raid/

All of these things do come together. I happen to have a complete copy of the evidence Stuart has about the corrupt nature of criminal justice (much provided by the retired police officer Lenny Harper) in Jersey.

Blimey. What do the vice squad get up to?

What's that got to do with Ian Tomlinson?

Although Jersey is an independent nation our ministers are responsible for the rule of law in Jersey. What we are having is a gradual breakdown in the rule of law. If you read the comments on the Jersey Evening Post website you will see that the Tomlinson issue is being linked to the issues with Stuart Syvret.

When democracies move away from the rule of law towards dictatorship and the break down of the rule of law one aspect is direct attacks on politicians for what they do as politicians (Damian Green, Stuart Syvret - ie information offences). Another aspect is aggressive acts by the police forces (eg Tomlinson).

The challenge is to recongise that this is happening and to drive back towards a democratic state based upon the rule of law.

In Jersey things are somewhat worse than on the mainland, but the mainland does have responsibility for this.